{"id":6810,"date":"2024-11-04T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2024-11-04T00:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/karaganov.ru\/?p=6810"},"modified":"2024-11-05T13:58:33","modified_gmt":"2024-11-05T13:58:33","slug":"bremmer-vs-karaganov-global-order-and-ukraine-conflict-take-center-stage-at-horizons-debate","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/karaganov.ru\/en\/bremmer-vs-karaganov-global-order-and-ukraine-conflict-take-center-stage-at-horizons-debate\/","title":{"rendered":"Bremmer vs. Karaganov: Global Order and Ukraine Conflict Take Center Stage at Horizons Debate"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>In an electrifying debate hosted by Horizons, Ian Bremmer, president of the Eurasia Group, and Sergey Karaganov, a renowned Russian political strategist, confronted the pressing challenges facing the global order. Moderated by Vuk Jeremi\u0107, editor-in-chief of Horizons, the event explored the complexities of shifting power structures, the protracted conflict in Ukraine, and the role of nuclear deterrence in contemporary geopolitics.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Bremmer opened the discussion by highlighting the \u201cgeopolitical crisis\u201d stemming from misalignments in global power balance and post-Cold War transitions. He described the current era as marked by \u201cgeopolitical instability\u201d driven by Russia\u2019s exclusion from Western institutions, China\u2019s rise without adopting Western democratic norms, and domestic disillusionment in Western nations.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Karaganov countered by proclaiming the end of Western dominance, dating back to the 16th century. \u201cWe are at the end of several historic periods,\u201d he asserted, suggesting that a new multipolar era is emerging as Eastern powers regain influence.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The Ukraine conflict was a focal point, with Bremmer attributing its escalation to the annexation of Crimea in 2014 and Russia\u2019s \u201cspecial military operation\u201d in 2022. He described Russia\u2019s actions as strategic missteps that catalyzed NATO unity and expansion. \u201cThe Russians are not winning\u2026 Ukraine, in some form de facto, will end up partitioned,\u201d Bremmer predicted, emphasizing the human and geopolitical costs involved.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Conversely, Karaganov traced the origins to NATO\u2019s expansion in 2004, arguing that Russian moves were a necessary response to Western policies. He provocatively noted, \u201cWe are stopping [the West\u2019s advance] with hard power\u2026 This war has had very positive effects on Russia.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The impact of Western sanctions on Russia sparked heated dialogue. Bremmer conceded that \u201csanctions have been ineffective\u201d in destabilizing the Russian economy or undermining Putin\u2019s power. Karaganov, however, framed sanctions as a net positive for Russia, citing national unity and economic recalibration: \u201cWe got rid of the fifth column\u2026 energized our economy and science.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Both participants expressed concern over nuclear deterrence. \u201cDeterrence in the traditional sense is failing,\u201d Bremmer remarked, pointing to increased global complacency regarding nuclear risks. Karaganov called for the reinforcement of nuclear strategy, warning that failure to do so could have dire consequences.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The debate concluded with a rapid-fire round where both experts offered succinct views on topics ranging from the future of Taiwan to the European Union\u2019s stability. 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